Master Joshua (Part Two)

Parker

Welcome to a sex workers Guide to the Galaxy. I'm Parker Westwood, I'm your host, I'm your host, Parker Westwood. Whatever order we want to say that in. And today I'm bringing you the latter half of my conversation with Master Joshua, a pro-DOM based out of New York. And it's juicy like I promised, I did promise that it would have some juice. We cover so many things in this entire conversation but in this last half, we talk about the difference between lifestyle BDSM and being a pro-DOM, we talk about the importance of communication, we talk about his new venture, helping people to journey into their true selves at the end of their life, and so many more things. Before we jump into the interview, I'd like to remind you all that you can support the show in a few different ways. You can keep listening, I love seeing those metrics go up, you can tell some of your friends, the ones who you think would be into this, and maybe some of the ones who you think wouldn't be because some people surprise you, and leaving a glowing review is one way that more people will be shown this show. It's really great for the all powerful algorithm and I would greatly appreciate it. And then of course, you can become a patron, I am working on getting some more patron only content. So, there will be exclusive interviews and some videos, eventually, all of these things are in the works. Got some things coming at you. So, if you are a patron of any level, you will have access to some really cool stuff coming down the road. There is one correction I need to put on this episode and that's there's a moment where it sounds like Master Joshua is saying the word needy but what he meant is meaty, as in like beef meaty. You'll know, you'll know what I'm talking about when it comes up. I should also put some trigger warnings on this episode, the same ones as last time, for the most part, we do the master slave dynamic. As mentioned, we don't really talk about it in depth this time around and there's mention of addiction, specifically sex addiction. I think that's all of them. But as always, I'm open to correction. Alright, without further ado, we're going to jump into the last half of my interview with Master Joshua, enjoy. There was one thing that we, we'd briefly talked about before, but I'd like to hear a little bit more from you about, like in your, in your experience, what is the difference between lifestyle BDSM and then doing it professionally?

Master Joshua

So, there's, this is, this is so lifestyle, the lifestyle approach. Right? When we talk about sexual orientation, I like to identify myself as a leather set, as a leather sexual. Right? Because the leather lifestyle, the way I've, the way I define it has certain pillars. Right? Open communication, integrity, trust, respect, equality. Right? These are things, factors that matter to me and in the people I connect with, they have to matter to them too. Right? So, before the way you look, before your gender, before you have anything, if these characteristics don't match, we're probably not going to vibe. And, and that's okay. Right? Because you have your reality I have mine, and that's the way I go about it. It's, it's almost it's, it's spiritual. For me, this lifestyle is very spiritual. For me. That's what the lifestyle means to me now. It's grown over time. Right? From understanding how to connect and exchange energy with people you know, sexual energy, and through emotional maturity and lifestyle maturity, I've come to this point from the professional side. But for me, it's about energy exchange, it's about heavily on energy exchange, and I try to get certain clients to a point of spiritual enlightenment. Right? and it's not like I'm going to beat you until see God. Right?

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Sometimes. Right? That's through the repetitive motions, sub spacing and that shit. Right? But that aside, the, the connection that I want them to feel spiritually is through faith and trust. Right? That through the open and normalizing of the communication that we're gonna have, they're going to see that no harm will come, that they will be seen and heard and that this is a reality like this can be real. Right? To, to be safe, to be okay in your body, to engage with someone without expectations and intent beyond what was negotiated. It's very empowering. Right? And can be very life changing for someone to, who carries shame with them, to see that they're okay.

Parker

Yeah, and that's the thing that people don't really understand about being a sub, like the experience of a sub is actually incredibly empowering.

Master Joshua

Hugely, yeah. Hugely. I want to empower them with their own self-awareness. Right? And I think if you can see that, if you commit and invest into a relationship, and it is returned, positively, and you are shown safety and security, I think you develop faith in, in yourself, and you start to really do a lot more work around it. Right? You, you expect more from your relationships, you are more comfortable and confident in asking for what you want. Because when you're in that room with me. Right? You're doing something that most people will never have the nerve to do znd that's pursue themselves. Right? So, by the time you walk out that door, you can walk out with your head up high, and know that you've effectively taken a step to changing your life. And,

Parker

100 percent.

Master Joshua

that self-confidence feeds, pays itself forward. So even on the professional side, what I'm trying to do is connect people with their own life. Right? Like, I want to put you in your own driver's seat, so that you can go from here and take it. So, it's very, and it's very bonding. Right? It's very, it's very bonding and the relationships that I have with my clients are. Rarely do I have transient, transient clients, because well now COVID. But two, because there's an investment that it takes for my end to sit and to talk with you.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

And have to invest in this shit because my output is high and I want to make sure that my energy is going into a place that is going to be moving you forward.

Parker

Absolutely.

Master Joshua

I had a session last week and we had our follow up call a couple of days ago and you know not this is my operation. Right? I don't I prefer to really connect and bond with him. I understand there are transactional relationships out there, and I've been in a few. That's not for me. So, we had, he completed my intake form, we did our two interviews on Zoom and two hours before he came for the session, he sent, forward me an email, forwarded me an email he sent to a previous DOM about his likes and his likes and what he wants in a session. So, I looked at it and through our conversations, I kind of figured, like, it's not rocket science. Right?

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Like, because, believe it or not, you're not that different from everyone else like this, like, Right? Clearly, now, granted, he had a very unique kink, which I never was able to label it until he told me that I can. I spoke about it with a former submissive of mine, and he affirmed it and it was like one of those aha moments, so I totally learned something from him. But the formula of the of the scene isn't different, but,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

I know where we're at. So, he sent it to me, I looked and I laughed and I told my partner about it and I said he, he's coming with thinking that this is going to be he comes in, he gets stripped down x, y, &z, and then he gets sent home. Like, it doesn't work that way. So, he comes in, and I made sure all the arrange like this was I pat myself on the back for pulling off what I pulled off in the timeframe that I was given.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

So, when he left and we spoke about it, he says he was confused because he thought he was coming in to experience his checklist.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

And what I did was, I like I'm not a fetish dispension. You don't put a quarter in me, and I flog, flog, flog, spank, spank, spank. Right?

Parker

You can't. That's something I used to say as a stripper. I was like, I'm not, I'm not, I don't, I'm not a gumball machine, you know, just put quarters in me. Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right. So, through our debriefing, I told him, I said, one, I don't know you, so I don't know your body, and I don't know how you respond, I need to feel you. But two, get you sent me a checklist and I won't work off a list I work off of body language.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

But I work off of communication and experience, like, and you're not paying me for two hours of my time. You're paying me more for my 15 years of experience.

Parker

Thank You. Yes.

Master Joshua

And, and we, we spoke through some of his confusion. Right? because he's a life coach and the same way we spoke about not understanding or not, not about feelings being a new approach that would same thing for him. Right? He's never been asked questions like that. So, he doesn't know what to think and his expectations, air quotes, were, he was going to experience something transactional. Right? and it wasn't, it was hugely different.

Parker

Yes, yeah. That's, I love that. I also, it makes me think of like, when I tell people, I'm like, you're paying, you're paying me for my time. Really, then like the experience of being with me, rather than like, these specific things that you think are going to happen during our time together. Like, you're lucky that those things do happen.

Master Joshua

Yeah.

Parker

but you're also like paying for my company.

Master Joshua

Yeah, because we're not, we're not objects.

Parker

No,

Master Joshua

Right? Even, even if the desire is to objectify, or be objectified. Let us agree on that.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right.

Parker

Again, informed consent.

Master Joshua

Right. It's like being addressed master by someone I don't even fucking know. Don't call me Master dude.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

You don't know me.

Parker

Did I tell you to do that?

Master Joshua

And I don't know you. Right?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

It's like, that is something you have to earn from me too.

Parker

Yeah, this is a relationship, not just like a you deciding everything ship.

Master Joshua

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

Parker

The art, the art of relationship building, I think is one that I'm certainly like re-having to relearn. Like, I didn't have very great models for it. Not saying that my parents were like, weren't good at having a relationship, or like people around me weren't I just think we're, especially as Americans, it's just we don't get to see healthy communication. It's not, it's not readily available to us, especially in a sexual nature.

Master Joshua

Yeah, 100% uh like my parents, I think my sex addiction evolved from lack of affection, and intimacy. Right? From my parents holding me, kissing me on the cheek, holding my hand, and I don't blame them. Right? Because their role models were their parents. Right?

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

And my grandmother worked three jobs and had 12 kids.

Parker

Yeah, there's no time for kissing you on the cheek.

Master Joshua

There's no time for affectionate parents. Right? So it's.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And I believe that's what, what, what plays a factor. Right? It may or may not be wholly, but I also don't blame them for it.

Parker

Right. I could also go on an entire rant about how capitalism is designed to like, keep affection away from us and like, maybe I've probably already done this with you at one point, but yeah, I there's like capitalism is designed to perpetuate shame and like, keep us from the liberation that we seek in these kink relationships.

Master Joshua

Yeah.

Parker

and end short rant.

Master Joshua

I agree. 100%. It's like, so sex work. I started 12 years ago, 10 or 12 years, I don't remember. It was with a government worker who worked for, by back then it was CBP Customs and Border Patrol out of here in JFK, and it was a gentleman who was high ranking, he was higher up in the chain of command, but he wanted to be humiliated and degraded and treated like, like, a pig and stuff like that, like a dog, but not pup play, like degradation.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

And he asked me, if I would do a session with him. He was out on Long Island; I was here in the city. So, you know, I threw some numbers together, and I made my journey out there and, you know, safety call in place and like, I was using all the stuff that I've learned in the lifestyle up until this point, and I get out there and we do the session. And at the end of the session, the look in his face, the change that it brought was, I joined the military, and I went into law enforcement with the idea of hoping to be of service. I wanted to help facilitate change in the world, positive change in the world and the military law enforcement didn't provide that. From there, I went into executive protection, and I did a lot of bodyguard work and guard security for families, royal families and politicians and that went on for a number of years and while fulfilling to a degree, it wasn't service that I was that I was looking to give.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

When I wrapped up with this session with this, my first client and the look in his eyes, the light bulb went off. Like this it.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Helping people find comfort within their own skin, so to speak?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? And that's when I started with my professional domination. As time, as time has progressed, I've molded what that means for me in what am I comfortable doing. What am I not comfortable doing? My approaches to the relationships, my inflexibility with my rate, and having standards and ethics around the work that I do, because we need it. Right? One of the things that I noticed, while working in bars in San Diego, was objectification isn't nice and feels horrible. Right? And I don't want to feel that way again. Right? So, to make sure that in my journey into such work, that I am not objectified. Right? that I'm not seen as, as someone that I'm being, something I'm being paid for.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

With my body. Right? Again, unless it's negotiated.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

So, I found sex work to be very empowering, spiritually, you know, mentally, and physically, and all that stuff too. But spiritually, when I felt whole, helping someone heal with themselves and be okay with themselves.

Parker

Yep.

Master Joshua

Times progressed, I've learned more about myself, I've I learned what faith is. In BDSM, I learned what it was through a photo pic, because I do photography. Did you know that?

Parker

I did not know that

Master Joshua

I do photography as well, I'll send you my, my Instagram page.

Parker

Yes please.

Master Joshua

And a lot of it’s around fetish photography, because I love capturing the energy of what is being seen, not just the picture, not just [garbled], I'm wearing stuff. But there's an energy in that exchange that I love capturing you'll see and, it's, I love it.

Parker

Oh, I'm so excited.

Master Joshua

So, I learned faith through a photo that I took of my then male submissive, and he was in a submissive pose, and I'm looking at him and I said, man, this is what believing in a purpose greater than your own looks like. And when I said that I felt because he will do. as he even said today, he will do as I say, without question. That dynamic fell apart because he wasn't doing what he needed to do for himself.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

And he wasn't fucking listening to me, Jim, I'm telling you this, not because I want you to do it. Or because I'm asking you to do it because you're going to do it.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

You need to do this and it's not for me, it's for you. Right? So, and again.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

So, I sat there, and I was like, so this is what it means to have faith in a power greater than yourself. Because the way he looked at me, and the responsibility I have in this life was very meaty and I said, Well, shit. So, this is what people who are religious feel, and trust in their higher power. So, I was able to take the relation and understanding of what that feeling was and I asked myself, well, what do I believe in?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And I sat there, and this was a five minute process. I said, well, I believe in karma. If I do good, good will return. If I do bad, bad will return and I've lived that way. I live to serve this power of karma. Right? Through my actions and in that moment, I was able to understand my role in what faith means to me. In, in living for a purpose greater than yourself. Right? So, I learned faith in this lifestyle. I've learned integrity, what it means and how hard and how difficult it is, to, to change your lifestyle, to grow, and to live in a responsible and emotionally mature way. Right? But it takes work. Right? If this was easy, this world would have peace. Right? But it's not, this is about money. Right? And, and like you said, the capitalism right will keep us, keep us entertained with our electronics and our sports and the shit doesn't matter so that, we can, we can keep feeding the monster.

Parker

Absolutely.

Master Joshua

The spirituality that I learned through this, also integrating plant-based medicine for my own journey.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Right? Psilocybin, marijuana, MDMA, different forms of therapy and medicine to help connect with those in my life. There's a lot of therapeutic approaches, to, to the practices in this lifestyle. Right?

Parker

Oh absolutely.

Master Joshua

When speaking, when speaking about our past. Right? Imagine having a relationship so strong that you can start tackling childhood, or just life trauma in a space. Right? Not to address it and say, this happened to me, and this is why I am the way I am. Right? That's just sitting.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

When you can sit someone and say, this happened to me, helped me understand why and how to move through it. Right? And oftentimes, the why isn't your fault. Right? Sort of, like, helped me understand why it's like, why it's not my fault and, and work bait, it's when we move past the romanticizing of what BDSM is in the sexualization of what it is nd we look at the foundations of how these relationships are built. That's the meat and potatoes. Right?

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

It's not the sex, it's not the stuff, the physical part. It's the communication to get to the physical part.

Parker

Yeah, I agree. And as a survivor, myself, it's like it in when you're talking about trauma, and like, when someone's like, this happened to me, and then there's the why of it, and usually, it's not your fault. And then, you know, at least for me, I had to confront my relationship with control and, and like not having any, and then having some, and like, what, like, really what it feels like to take responsibility for what I have, and what is mine and my own body. But also recognize, like, when things are out of my control,

Master Joshua

Yeah.

Parker

And just like, yeah, really, really understanding where I begin and where I end. And so, I think like that is, that's one of the most beautiful parts, of, of a relationship like that is that you get like, I've gotten to work with people on stuff like that and it's just like such a, like whole body good feel every time.

Master Joshua

Yeah.

Parker

It's an honor. Really.

Master Joshua

Yeah, over time and this is this is almost to where I'm at today, over time, my work, through, through BDSM, which I'm working on rephrasing it for my next venture to NTSB, which is nontraditional sexual behavior. So that is more palatable for those who are afraid of the whips and chains. Right? Because,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

It's like, just the name of it, oh my god, BDSM you must like X,Y, and Z it's like slow down there high speed.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Nothing to do with that. Right? So, NTSB is the phrase that I'm looking to start working with, to help remove, again, the stigma of what BDSM and the leather lifestyle is. So, through this progression. Right? I've, I've like you said, you've helped, we've helped people heal, grow, understand, learn, and with my partner, Cat, who deals in addiction and recovery, sway who is a licensed clinical psychologist, and we're opening the Sanctuary for Spiritual Development and Consciousness Expansion. And those are therapy and counseling led services. Right? To range from addiction recovery, mental health, trauma, trauma based recovery. NTSB. And what I'm focusing on personally, to wrap in with faith is connecting with people that are in advanced age or advanced illnesses, advanced stages of illness, to help mend their spirits, there being relationships that they want to, to reconnect with, before passing. Because I've had clients who have been diagnosed with medical conditions, or advanced age, that, that wanted to feel beautiful again, or to be seen. Right? I have a mentor who started off as a client, who's, he's an older gentleman and he's never come out the closet.

Parker

Wow.

Master Joshua

And I would hate for him to pass without having, to be able to speak out his truth,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

to at least his friends, or his peers.

Parker

Absolutely.

Master Joshua

Family, family, I can understand not great because that's just the house that he can't get burned down.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

But to create an environment where he can openly say I'm a gay man.

Parker

To someone. Yeah.

Master Joshua

To someone right.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

I get goosebumps.

Parker

Oh, that's beautiful.

Master Joshua

You know what I want? It's, it's, it's, it's bittersweet. Right? Because how many people experience that day in and day out, that they will die without being able to, to express that, it breaks my heart. So,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

I want to focus on taking what I've learned through this journey and start focusing it on people on helping people heal. I feel it because when I've connected with clients like this in the past, through some personal journeys with the assistance of psilocybin. Right? I and experiences with friends who are mediums and shit that they've said, and I've witnessed that have where I stand right now, I believe that afterlife is just transitional.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And death isn't finite. Right? I don't believe that, like, where I'm at now, absolutely not. So, to be able to speak with people who are transitioning. Right? To help alleviate some of that anxiety. I can share my stories with them and sit and hear their stories and help them and help them again, be seen and heard, for who they are before moving on. It this and this started from me going to visit a friend who had a newborn baby that I was taking pictures of, and she had a dog of 15 years, so I knew, I've known since he was a puppy. He was wearing a diaper and is going blind and deaf, and he didn't hear me when I came in and he was sitting on the couch, and I sat next to him, and he smelled me, and he woke up Right? It woke him up and I sat with him, and I cried for a few minutes because he is an old puppy now. Right? And they have the new puppy. Right? Who's six months old? So, he's a fucking monster and he's all energy, Max.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

So, I sit down with him and I talked to him. And I tell him, I said don't worry, Max, you've, you've had a wonderful life. You've helped Alex and Leo I was gushing to him. I, and I said to him, I will see you on the other side the next step isn't, this isn't the end.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And it stuck with me for a few hours. Like he ended up getting up and looking for me throughout the day throughout the house and on the train ride back home, is when I started talking to Cat about how I felt I said it's heartbreaking. It's sad, but I, I enjoy sitting in the sadness because it shows me that I love. Right? That I loved him, that, that's, that's my boy. Right?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And there was a relationship and an experience that I had that brought me joy. So, I will sit what this sadness, and I will appreciate it, because it reflects what I felt throughout this entire experience with him. And then that had me thinking, as I'm sitting here for hours at work, on like, I start connecting the dots. I was visiting my parents in September, and you know, because in September, I came to the conclusion that there will be no better time. Right? My parents,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

are in their 70s. Right? If COVID gets them. Right?

Parker

Right. Yeah.

Master Joshua

I won't be able to see them.

Parker

Yeah. Yeah.

Master Joshua

And that'll be that. So, I took the trip down and I recorded messages for all the grandchildren individually with them should they pass and not be able to see them. It was so gut wrenching and scary and sad, that to sit there and think about this with my parents before, but it's like, it's necessary. Right? And then I've reflected on the clients that I've had, and it all started to point in this direction of end of life doula slash shadow work. Right? To help ,

Parker

Absolutely.

Master Joshua

To help heal before passing. Like that's, that's where all of this has pointed me today and with, its with high and heavy thanks to my BDSM journey, that I've been able to get to this point, and understand that my point of service is for those who are transitioning to something different.

Parker

Absolutely. That is beautiful. What's the name of your new venture again?

Master Joshua

It's a Sanctuary for Spiritual Development and Consciousness Expansion. It'll be SSDCE.org. We're finalizing the verbiage for the website because there's a lot of information that goes into this stuff.

Parker

I 100% believe it.

Master Joshua

And I'll be more than happy to share it with you once, once, we have it up and running. I'll send it your way so you can check it out.

Parker

Yeah, and I'll link it to this episode.

Master Joshua

Awesome. Thank you.

Parker

Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course. Well, um, we skipped a day in the life of and I don't want to forget, so if you, if you're able and willing to like give us a like a well-rounded idea of like, what a day in the life of Master Joshua looks like.

Master Joshua

So, I'm actually pretty boring.

Parker

That's perfect.

Master Joshua

Right? People think it's some fabulous. It's like, no, no, no, no, it's all kidding aside. A year ago. Right? I was hosting events, two events a month, I was doing maybe four or five sessions a month, a lot of education, a lot of networking, a lot of socializing around the lifestyle, my professional, and my income was based almost strictly around the lifestyle. I had stopped taking security contracts, maybe about three or four years ago, and doing professional domination full time. COVID hit in March, everything stopped. Right? So, it's like, everything stopped

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And it had been a rough couple months. Luckily, things worked out and money kept coming in from different areas and we were able to stay up to date with where we're at. In October, I ended up having to take a contract that became available. Right? because I need supplemental income.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And the work that I was doing, just wasn't working for the environment. People aren't coming out for sessions during COVID and I'm also certainly not taking certain clients. Right? If, if you're not able to meet a threshold for me to keep me and the people I know safe.

Parker

Yep.

Master Joshua

We just can't work together. Right? So, I picked up the work in October and I started doing a lot more introspective work through plant-based medicine earlier this year, and through that introspection, through that personal work, through the change, the economic change, societal change around everything going on. They just changed the schedule that I was working and took half my time away. Because believe it or not, because Biden got elected. Right? There's no more riot. So, you don't need any more security.

Parker

Right. right!

Master Joshua

It's okay. Right? Because it allows me to focus on the next step. Right? I asked the universe to give me time to help me and sometimes again, I don't ask them to do it easy. Right? So,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

what does the universe do? Takes away half my hours and gives me the time I need to focus on what my next steps are.

Parker

The universe is funny that way, isn't it?

Master Joshua

Right? Now I have to swim again. Right? So, but I'm, cool. So, so now, starting this month. Right? I'm down to working 10 days a week and I'm trying to catch up on previous engagements or connections that I've committed to that I've had to postpone throughout the year. Time away with one of them, one of the people I'm involved with, so we’re going to a cabin next week,

Parker

oh yes.

Master Joshua

the week after. Right? I was looking into Oregon, because we're hoping to, too, for the sanctuary to be a destination, preferably in a city. That's, that's supportive of the medicine that we use for some of our therapies.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

That we want to use for some of our therapies. Right? So, we were supposed to go to Oregon in February, that fell through because the numbers are going up and for these first few weeks of time off, I'm playing catch up, could reconnecting with, with relationships, either mobile or in person. And relationships, meaning people that I'm intimate with, that I haven't been able to spend enough time with. Right? It's, I'm not going out there and socializing on different levels and stuff like that.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

It's just being more available for the people in my life. I'm hugely into VR gaming. It's a habit I just picked back up. It's a great stress relief. Right?

Parker

It is.

Master Joshua

It helps me take my mind off of my work, because where I'm at now, my life is my work and if I can't separate it, I ended up going down this rabbit hole and I'm not able to work at my maximum capacity. Right? I just

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

end up working at a burned out 50, 60, 70 percent then, that's not, that's not enough.

Parker

Yeah, not everything is about profit.

Master Joshua

Yeah. Right? I have to learn what rest means. I had appendicitis in May and I had to go have it removed. Right?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And that shit was no joke. Like, have you ever had food poisoning?

Parker

I have. Yeah.

Master Joshua

That's death. Right? I thought I had it one time. I used to, use it to call in sick when I worked for the government, food poisoning, food poisoning, food poisoning, until I really got that shit. And when I got it, that was the last thing I'd call in dead before I would call in food poisoning because shit was horrible.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

And May I thought I had food poisoning. And I'm like, fuck, this is bad let me wait it out. When it turned into two, and it got worse. I went into the hospital, and they said it's really fucked up, summarizing, it’s really fucked up and it's got to go.

Parker

Wow.

Master Joshua

In that time. Right? They remove the appendix and they gave me oxy. I've been a proponent for medicinal marijuana since day one.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

On oxy I was hearing voices.

Parker

Oh my god.

Master Joshua

I was hating life. I was depressed. I wanted everything dark. I didn't have any motivation to work. Just leave me alone. So, I can be here miserable and, quote unquote, heal from my surgery.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And that lasted for about two and a half days. I had my re-up, my marijuana re-up, and I smoked and within 60 seconds, the pain dissipated, and everything changed. 60 seconds.

Parker

Oh my god.

Master Joshua

I went from a proponent to an advocate.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

In just that amount of time because in that moment, I realized.

Parker

And oxy is so addictive. It's so addictive, and marijuana is not.

Master Joshua

It's crazy.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

I was getting sick; I couldn't keep it down. I was throwing up. It was, It was horrible and I'm supposed to be here healing and the medicine, the pain relief medicine is worse than the healing symptoms.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Right? It's like, unbelievable. Unbelievable. So, I'm a huge proponent for plant-based medicine and because of that experience. Right? So today, there's no kink, there's not much kink going on. That's not true. That's not true. I see my snake twice a week. That's not true. But the, the, the, the social aspect of my kink journey isn't present right now. When I do get to experience my bottom side or my submissive side, as I'm doing it, currently, it is heavy, and it is nasty and it is the things that I want it to be as, as best as I can experience them. Where I'm at with myself now. You know, and I, I only expect it to get better when I only expect it to get livelier. Maybe next time we video chat I'll have a big collared tattoo. I remember the first time I saw that. I was a teenager, and it was public access TV and I think it was the Robin Byrd show and she had a male dancer, and he had this big black collared tattoo on his neck and I was like,

Parker

Oh my god.

Master Joshua

I want one of those it was badass.

Parker

So good. Neck tattoos are so sexy to begin with. Yes. That's so great. Yeah, I think, I are, that's, that's one question that I'm like, I don't even know if I should have this in here anymore just because our lives have changed so much since COVID hit.

Master Joshua

Yeah. I'll tell you what I wish, I look forward to my day in the life of yeah.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

With the progression of the work and SSDCE.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

I've for years and years. Right? I'm not the type, I've never been the type to sit back and think about where do I want to be in x amount of years? Or how can I? How do I visualize my life in five years? Or, what our goals are? What are this or what are, that life never came into focus for me like that? Right? I never had plans or projections of grandeur. Right? Because it's like, I didn't live that way.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Until I started getting an understanding of what all of this meant for me and to see into the future. Right? Is this a feeling that I've started getting of tasting, what reality will be, as opposed to trying to visualize what I want, I can, I can close my eyes and see what's going to pass. Right? And in that, what I want my life to be is, again, in this destination for individuals, where they can walk through the door and my life starts with me waking up having breakfast, meeting people that are coming into our sanctuary, connecting with those that are already present, and ushering those forward that are on their way out in a way that is communal, almost village like.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Like that everyone knows everyone by their first names and family. Right?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

So that saying of strangers are just friends you haven't met yet. It's cheesy but I want that.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

I want that feeling. Right? Because we deserve it.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

If we earn it, we deserve it.

Parker

yeah, it's a, it's a moment of we have to commit to our community in order to like receive that sort of place, place among it.

Master Joshua

It's done through service. Like, I don't host events to make money. Right? You don't get rich in this lifestyle doing this stuff, but I do it to create a space for people to have their journey.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? And money has to be a part of it because there's things to be paid, but you're not getting rich off of hosting events.

Parker

No.

Master Joshua

You're creating the space for people to explore.

Parker

Yeah. Which is so, so important and part of part of the trust building. Right?

Master Joshua

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Parker

Okay, I have some rapid-fire questions for you if you're ready.

Master Joshua

Absolutely.

Parker

Okay. Cool. So, there's like three that are just like, quick and dirty and then we get into like, the more interesting ones. Vanilla or chocolate?

Master Joshua

Vanilla.

Parker

Pancakes or waffles?

Master Joshua

Pancakes. Unless it's chicken and waffles.

Parker

That's a fair answer. Pokémon or Dragonball Z?

Master Joshua

Dragonball Z because they fight.

Parker

Like actual fighting, yes.

Master Joshua

Like actually fighting.

Parker

Favorite place you've ever been?

Master Joshua

There's a place called Easton Mountain in upstate New York about an hour out of Albany, which has become my second home, which is the first place I felt home. Wow. It's, it's a venue created by a gay male, by the name of John Stasio, who has become a mentor and a guide to me, a brother of sorts and the space he's created is a retreat for those who were looking for peace like, along the same lines of the sanctuary idea.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

I've had, I've developed that because of my experience through Easton Mountain and it's a place for healing. I've traveled and stuff, but I've never felt home and home is the most beautiful place. And when I turn that road onto Easton Mountain, I get that feeling of going home. That is the most beautiful place to me.

Parker

That's a wonderful answer. Now, I'm, like internally asking myself like, where do I feel at home?

Master Joshua

It's hard. Right? It's like, it's not. I've lived in plenty of places and even in the relationships I've been in. A lot of it's always felt. This is where I'm at presently.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

This is where I'm at. Right? Not my not home but this is where I'm at.

Parker

Yeah, I think that's very common. I think that that was one of the perplexing things about like leaving my parents’ home, going to college, coming back for a visit and being like, oh, this isn't home anymore, and neither is the place that I'm at now. Yeah, it's a, it's a very disorienting thing to confront.

Master Joshua

Like, speaking of visiting parents, two years ago, three years ago, two or three years ago, my parents found out about my work because I've never hidden it and I've always spoken about it, but I don't speak about it in hard terms. BDSM, pro-domination, male mistress, you know.

Parker

Right, yes.

Master Joshua

Things that would turn people away. Right? So, I've always kept it very user friendly and I think they heard an interpretation of what I do through my older brother who I cut ties with years ago, because he's a homophobe and a racist and he's a cop. So, imagine that. Right? Right? Surprise. So, when I was down there for fetish factory, this is Memorial Day weekend, has to be three years ago, I called them I said, hey, I'm down here. Do you want me to come by? And they took a pass on it, and they've never done that. Ever, ever, ever, done that and it was heartbreaking because they've never, I've never had to deal with a thankfully, I've never had to deal with what a lot of alternative, air quotes, lifestyle people have had to deal with when engaging with their parents growing up. And to feel that was very painful. Right? So, I wrote them off like I wrote my brother off for judging me because of how I live my life. Right? And it was sad and it was scary. It was sad, it wasn't scary, and I was angry. Right? Because it's like, fucking talk to me about the work that I do.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And let me tell you the important role that it plays for the people that I connect with. Right? So, I didn't speak to them, and they didn't speak to me for a while and my sister was the one, who, who talked me into reconnecting with them while they were visiting here in New York. And they were here for, for, for a couple of days and I called them, and I said hey let's meet up for lunch and I went with Cat, my partner, and we sat and I it was good to reconnect with them because I felt that they missed me. Right?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Seeing that their emotions trumped their misinformation,

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

opened the door for us to communicate again. When I met and I laid it all down for them this is what I do. I also talked to my mom how I found faith through this.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? And I made it in terms, and I brought it up in terms that they can relate and understand with. Not, not just, oh, this is who I am take it or leave it right? Because whether we like it or not, yes, the internet’s there and people can educate themselves, but it doesn't work that way all the time.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? And sometimes people need things interpreted so that they can understand them better and they can digest or just remove the misinformation. Well, that's not what I thought and I'm sorry.

Parker

Yeah, but you can't get there until they're willing and open to even approach the subject. Yeah.

Master Joshua

Even approach it.

Parker

Yep,

Master Joshua

Absolutely. My kids. Right? Some of them I have good relationships with one of them. I don't. My oldest her mom and it's a whole story but through our last communication, she became very disrespectful and judgmental, in the work that I do and the person that I am. She pointed out my desire to express myself in more feminine gear. It was some painful shit to hear repeated at you from someone who may be judging you who’s blood. Right?

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Your child who isn't taking the moment to just listen.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Just listen, just hear what I have to say because I'm not the person you think I am.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

But you're leading with your emotions and you're leading with misinformation just, we can all do good if we stopped for a moment and shut our mouth and opened our ears.

Parker

Yeah. And on it formed our own opinions rather than ascribe to these preconceived notions and stereotypes.

Master Joshua

Yeah. Yeah, and this world would be a better place. Right? If we could just take a breather, just take a second.

Parker

Yeah. I love that. So, I'm terrible at the rapid-fire questions. I up to this point, I've been like, wow, people are really bad at rapid-fire questions, and I think it's just me. So, so that's good to know. Um, the next question is a book from your mandatory reading list.

Master Joshua

Books, words. So, dyslexia has always been a pain in the ass for me and the ability to sit and concentrate on a book is tough.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

Also, if the book, if I'm not caught within the first chapter, I'll maybe give a book a chapter,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

but it has to catch me like if it doesn't catch me. It's hard for me to stick to it. World War Z. Just kidding, just kidding. That's, that's a tough one for me because there's a lot of good literature out there. I ended up going back to SM 101 by Jay Wiseman because it's a fantastic foundation on relationship development and one's personal journey. I mean, there's a ton of stuff out there but this one in particular, he addresses a lot that's palatable and digestible for everyone reading.

Parker

Excellent.

Master Joshua

And he highlights a lot of important factors in personal and relationship development that I think people often overlook.

Parker

Awesome. I'll have to check that one out, I haven't heard of that one yet. Secret talent? I know you've got one.

Master Joshua

Yeah. Secret talent. I can do this with my tongue.

Parker

Oh my god, you can? It's the three-leaf clover thing. That's amazing.

Master Joshua

I've never heard it described that way.

Parker

Yeah. That's skill.

Master Joshua

That's one I think a lot of people know about that.

Parker

I'm honored to bear witness. Yeah. Okay, a song, a musical artist, or an album that you're currently obsessed with.

Master Joshua

The Pale Emperor came out in: 2015

Parker

Okay,

Master Joshua

and it's got a very jazzy flow to it.

Parker

Interesting.

Master Joshua

and I can, I can do a scene, I can do a session from beginning to end of that album and it dictates a beautiful pace that you can interpret to whatever you're feeling. Right? So, like, I like to play blues and jazz during my parties, because it's central but it's powerful. You can, you can, you can express different ranges of emotion through them through the tempo that there that the track has hands down. If you've not played to blues or jazz, take a moment and find a channel like BBQ blues on Pandora is one that I use all the time and it's so smooth,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

and sexy. Right? And, and you can change your own flow to the music because it's like the music is universal. Yeah.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

If you use it, plus, you're also zoning out where you're not listening to the words you're not listening to the lyrics. You're feeling it on to as that temple builds and as the percussion picks up, like I actually can start getting goosebumps and breaking a sweat thinking about it.

Parker

I'm actually getting goosebumps right now. Yeah, that's fantastic. I have not listened, admittedly have not listened to that Marilyn Manson album. So now I shall.

Master Joshua

Give it a shot. Give it a Shot,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

I swear by it.

Parker

Excellent. Um, okay, if

Master Joshua

I want if I want to impress a submissive, I will play that because that puts me in a space of like, it's like, now you have me thinking about? Yeah. It's such a sexy album.

Parker

I'm so excited.

Master Joshua

Check it out and listen to it and let me know what you think if you can get an opportunity to play to it. Try it and let me know. How, what you think about.

Parker

I will, I will. Okay, finish the sentence. Good sex is.

Master Joshua

And I'm going to say raw, and not in the sense of lack of protection. By all means, use your barriers, use whatever you need, to, to stay safe. But sex when everything is spoken and pursued. Right? And the inhibitions are put aside, and you can be your primal self. Fuck. I jerk off more to thoughts of uninhibited play than any porn that I could put up on a website.

Parker

100 percent.

Master Joshua

Of any website? Easily? I can. Oh, my God. Oh, incredible.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? It's like, because it's real. Overall. Right? Our relationships, we manage people's emotions, like the people with I don't want to upset them. So, I'm going to do this, I'm going to upset them. So, I'm going to do that. Right? I, I think where I feel this way, and I know it triggers them. So I'll avoid it.

Parker

Right. Relational chess. Yes.

Master Joshua

Right? So that's one on one. Now add polyamory to that shit. Right? Ah, you fucking choke on the headaches from.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

So, what I noticed and what we all do, most not, not, not everyone, but what a lot of people do, especially in the beginning, is we're managing ourselves and the relationships so we don't step on anyone else's toes.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

No one gets upset, because I express emotion for her in front of this one and then this one feels without and then it's like, fucking heavy.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

Right? So, through a mushroom a psilocybin-based experience that I did with my slave. My partner was sitting for us. Right? to make sure that things went safely, safer. Right? Now, granted, if you don't, if you don't have an extensive history in psilocybin, magic mushrooms, they are the least addictive, and they are not recreational. These are for personal journey, introspection and growth. This is my professional opinion, and I will put that shit on the record. Right?

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

So, when we were there, and I don't roleplay, roleplay comes very hard for me. Right? I just don't have the knack for it. She's Israeli. So, in our power exchange, she has to feel physically submissive, in order to be submissive. So, I have to show you I'm dominant by dominating physically.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? So, if I say stay down, she's not gonna and it's not brat behavior. Right?

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Because I don't do brats. Because brats and I, oil and water. Like fucking stay away from me because it's not a game.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? But she likes to have her submission earned. Right? And she doesn't push back often. Only when sometimes when we play now that I'm thinking about, she's a fucking brat. Right? So, so we're, we come out of our peak and now we're, we're sitting with each other and we're talking, and my focus goes on to her, and Cat is just a silent observer. Right? You're just here to witness and make sure we don't die Right? So, when engaging in plant-based medicine, specifically psilocybin, a lot of times the fear and inhibitions are removed from your current state, so you can converse more openly, you can express more openly without the fear of rejection or judgment or what have you. So, my slave and I get into a power exchange a roleplay of secret agent, and interrogator. For the record, I have my hands choking. We're assuming interrogation play. Right? And, in my mind, I allowed us to be who we were, regardless of who was present 100 percent and it went from beginning to end and the things we said in the way that we behaved was very unfiltered and it felt fulfilling to me,

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

and fulfilling to that my slave, and I had no regard or concern for how the primary was going to feel. Because in that moment, what I realized is when I throttle my expression, I'm robbing from everyone.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

It does my slave, no justice, if I can't express to her how important she is, to me, emotionally, physically, intimately, psychologic. Like, for myself to feel as a whole person I have to be able to express openly. Right? Now, I'm not doing disrespectful shit, I'm not groping one to piss off the other anything like that. Right? I keep awareness of that, but the conversa that the conversations around these, the, the ability to express ourselves fully, it gave me the platform to address it.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

So, with the plant based medicine, showing me what is potential now, through my expression, and my engagement with my slave, which the first time role playing on that level was extremely fulfilling and it really opened up doors to, to who we are in our relationships. So, it's like, the ability to not throttle, throttle ourselves, in our relationships. Right? But you can't just pull the band aid off either. Right? You have to talk through this shit.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Expressing what is happening, how you feel about it happening, like, jealousy. Right? Poly-jealousy. It's not like a non-factor. Right? It's an everyday factor. It's a very real factor. Right? And its normal right so we converse about it and normalize the conversations around the relationships. It's all about this entire stuff is about communication.

Parker

Yes. I personally identify as poly and I'm currently not in any relation. Well, that's not entirely true. I just started dating again. But I have a really hard time being polyamorous because it takes a commitment to all parties involved and sometimes, like, only seeing one person can just be easier. Yeah, but I think poly, poly takes a lot of communication with all parties involved and it's a beautiful thing, because communication is inherently beautiful and being able to negotiate and find like, actually express where everyone is at and find this like common ground.

Master Joshua

Yeah.

Parker

Is really a beautiful thing.

Master Joshua

Yeah. And it's, it takes a lot of work, but the payoff is incredible. Right?

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

So, the relationship now where we're able to get raw and primal with each other. Right? didn't happen overnight, like people, like I used to be envious of the guys that would have all this wild and crazy sex. Right? Because the way they attained however it was, it seemed cool. Right? But it was also transient. Right? It was different people, and there was always something negative coming out from the engagements, like feelings or hurt or whatever. So, I wasn't envious about that part.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And, you know, I experienced raw primal type of sex, but it didn't come until the last year or so. Where the last month few yeah, the last year or so, where, after all the investment, after all the experiencing, journeying, and communicating, we were able to build the trust in the relationship so that the sex is on that level.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

Right? Because it's not, it's attainable. Right? People think like when people say, oh, you can do anything you put your mind to it. Yeah, but define that. Right? That's such a generic phrase.

Parker

Right? Also, like, there's a time factor, like it's not gonna, you don't put your mind to it and then the next moment you have it, that's not how it works.

Master Joshua

This stuff works by you can do anything you put your mind to means you can do anything you put your mind to that you're willing to do the work for.

Parker

100 percent. Discipline, so important

Master Joshua

Discipline. Right? We have to create our reality and that takes sacrifice. So, we, we were in a documentary that recorded, I'm hoping it turns out to be real big because it speaks on love languages across the world. People that came to us, when they were in New York, we were, were, they were they we were referred to them. And they sat with us and people's misconception BDSM slave and you have to do what it says and yada, yada, all that nonsense. So, we spoke through all of that and it's so cliche and so generic. But the last question that they ask is, define love in one word and I said that I thought about it and I came back with sacrifice. Right? Of course.

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

But you sacrifice a lot.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

When you are invested in something greater than yourself. And it's time. And it's mostly time. Like, that's the biggest thing you sacrifice.

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

It's time. Because that's the most valuable thing we have.

Parker

It's true.

Master Joshua

Right? And we sacrifice a lot of time in working through our problems and working through our hiccups so that we can get to a place that isn't just manageable but content. People aren't guaranteed happiness but no, you know, no one owes you happiness.

Parker

Nope.

Master Joshua

That's just not reality. But you earned it. You can work for it. And you can work for moments of happiness.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

It's not sustainable. But it's, it's achievable in moments.

Parker

Yeah. I love that. We're still in the rapid-fire questions. I'm just like, I'm so bad at it. Yeah, I'm just like, this will probably have to be two episodes and I'm not mad about that. It's so perfect. Um, okay, there's two more if you had one superpower, what would it be?

Master Joshua

I would say telling the future.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? One of my biggest things that I still struggle with is accepting my presence. Right? The inability of knowing what comes next is so what comes next is so frustrating and scary. Frustrating. Right? Because if I knew what I had to do next, I would do it.

Parker

Yep.

Master Joshua

It's simple. Right? If I don't know, I feel like I'm sitting on my hands and I'm wasting time and that is the worst feeling I can have because then I get anxious and I become irritable, and shit just gets bad. Right?

Parker

Yep.

Master Joshua

Learning to sit and be present. Super hard. So, if I could tell the future maybe it can relieve something? Maybe I don't even know. Right? Because what if the future is bad? Now I'm looking forward to batshit. Right?

Parker

Oh my god, I love that as a fellow as a fellow person who like doesn't know how to relax or take a nap like, I, I relate to you on that level.

Master Joshua

Yeah, yeah. So, so in the future, I think.

Parker

Yeah, that's great. And then what is something simple that brings you joy?

Master Joshua

So, I'm going to say masturbation.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Right? And it's not just the fact of just jerking off. Right? There's a level of stress relief. Release. Right? And it's not the orgasm it's the pressure that is released after the orgasm. That is simple. Right? I I'm the type that I have. I have sex to deescalate. I have sex to decompress. It's tough because if you believe in sex addiction, I go back to the, if you believe, because some people don't. Right? It's something natural how to how you abstain or pull back some from something that's natural. Right? Yeah, it's hard. It's, it's not easy.

Parker

No.

Master Joshua

Right? Because

Parker

It's like having a eating disorder. You have to cultivate a relationship with food. Yeah.

Master Joshua

Yeah. Right? So part of my part of my daily ritual is if I work overnights and I get off work, the first thing I do is go home, fuck and eat breakfast. Right?

Parker

Yes.

Master Joshua

She knows that like she's dressed at seven in the morning when I get home in whatever she's gonna surprise me because that's what helps me turn off the switches.

Parker

oh yeah.

Master Joshua

It's, it's a, it's a function that everyone I've been engaged with understands. Right? If I don't, it's like a person that doesn't have coffee in the morning. Right? Or their, their ritual in the morning to start off on the right foot.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Even if it's it, I don't even have to have sex. Like let me just touch you. Right? Let me just get if I can start off that way. I will start off on the right foot and I will be proactive. It, but it's tough. Right? Because it's like it has a power over me too.

Parker

Yep.

Master Joshua

It's simple. Right? But it's not easy to manage. It's not. It's something that I, because I see it, I see this morning, when this morning. I said, Listen, I just need to put a chastity on myself. Right? Because who knows where that energy can go?

Parker

Right.

Master Joshua

As well. Right? It's like, there's, so it brings me joy but I think there's a price that I pay with it too.

Parker

And that goes for both like sex with it with another person and masturbation.

Master Joshua

Yeah.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

And sometimes it's just easier just to.

Parker

Yeah.

Master Joshua

Get them out and to go back to bed Right? Because now, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Parker

100 percent yes. I'm giving myself a boost of serotonin here and we are gonna go on with our day. Yes. I also think with just to like, elaborate on masturbation for a moment, I think there's something really truly beautiful about having that moment with yourself and like knowing, understanding your body, especially as a woman who's like not taught anything about my body at all.

Master Joshua

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Parker

And that is, and that brings us to the close of, of, my interrogation. This has been so magical and I just want to thank you for being so willing to get vulnerable with me, this is a really amazing conversation.

Master Joshua

I really, I really appreciate the time and the the ability to speak it through. As I had mentioned earlier, some of it is my first time speaking through it. These are conversations I've had in the past that I haven't been able to put the words to it, as I have been with you tonight. So, I'm thankful for that and for the platform, hopefully we can connect with people out there who are looking to hear the same words, just to know that they're walking their path. Right? And that they aren't alone doing this because the more we get to know ourselves and the more we get to define what our human life experience is, the more isolating it can be.

Parker

Yep.

Master Joshua

Because who shares this with us. Right? It's really hard to find others who, who are on the same wavelength, as some of us can be at.

Parker

Agreed. Agreed. Let's, let's eliminate shame and liberate the people.

Master Joshua

yeah for sure for sure.

Parker

All Right? Well, thank you so much. I'm sure we'll be talking soon.

Master Joshua

Yeah, please, please. Oh, the pleasures all mine and thank you again. And let's keep in touch.

Parker

Absolutely. Have a good night. There you go. Folks, that is the actual conclusion of my interview with Master Joshua. We have indeed been in touch and I'm sure there will be another episode with Master Joshua on the horizon, or at least something for patron, Patreon. Patreon patrons of Patreon. That one, this was such a fantastic interview and I really do believe that shame is the enemy of freedom. Like we cannot be free if we hold on to shame and continue to shame each other. So, let's shake that shit off. If only it were that easy. I mentioned in the first episode, the preamble to the first episode, if you will, that this was this was recorded a long time ago, like months ago. So, the website to Master Joshua's new venture is actually up and running and they they've made a lot of progress on the Sanctuary for Spiritual Development and Consciousness Expansion. So, check out that website. Some really cool projects, really great people working on it. Yeah, I am sitting here in my new podcasting closet, which is not entirely finished, but it feels really good to be [meow] and that's my cat. She would like to say hello, because there's no door to this place yet. There will be because of that, um, but I'm in my new podcasting closet and it's, yeah, it feels really, really good to be in this space and to be creating content for you all. Finally, now that I've moved, and I am putting together the podcast studio closet. Okay, this is where I'm supposed to share a space thing with you. As you're traipsing across the galaxy, if you choose to stop at an intergalactic rest stop, just remember don't eat the ham and cheese sandwiches. Trust me. Nanu Nanu motherfuckers. Felix I can hear you purr you can't stay here.